What Are the New Liberal Arts?

In the medieval uni­ver­sity, the seven clas­si­cal lib­eral arts were split into two categories.

The triv­ium included modes of argu­ment and thought: logic, gram­mar, and rhetoric.

The quadriv­ium were the sci­ences, bod­ies of knowl­edge with par­tic­u­lar con­tent: geom­e­try, arith­metic, astron­omy, and music.

Brit­tan­ica iden­ti­fies the lib­eral arts of the mod­ern uni­ver­sity as lit­er­a­ture, lan­guages, phi­los­o­phy, his­tory, math­e­mat­ics, and science.

Wikipedia’s more expan­sive def­i­n­i­tion is arguably bet­ter: art, lit­er­a­ture, lan­guages, phi­los­o­phy, pol­i­tics, his­tory, math­e­mat­ics, and science.

But what are the emer­gent lib­eral arts — lib­eral arts 2.0?

I think the best way to think about this is not to think of the “new” lib­eral arts as sup­plant­ing the “old,” but as a com­ple­men­tary set, like paint­ing, archi­tec­ture, and sculp­ture as the new, human­ist plas­tic arts dur­ing the Renais­sance. Like the triv­ium and quadriv­ium, we have the octet of “mod­ern” lib­eral arts and a set of newer concerns.

With that pro­viso in mind, here is my fairly con­ser­v­a­tive attempt at a list:

Art

Design

Pho­tog­ra­phy

Music

*

Lan­guages

Lit­er­a­ture

Phi­los­o­phy

*

His­tory

Pol­i­tics

Eco­nom­ics

*

Math­e­mat­i­cal Sciences

Nat­ural Sciences

Bio­log­i­cal Sciences

*

Food, Ecol­ogy, and the Environment

What do you think?

Update: Let me just clar­ify that I’m not just using these terms in the way that they’re under­stood in col­leges and uni­ver­si­ties. So by “eco­nom­ics,” I don’t only mean what you learned in ECON 101 or the work of pro­fes­sional econ­o­mists, but a broad and flex­i­ble con­sid­er­a­tion of labor, exchange, incen­tives, and value as they affect… anything.

Like­wise “pho­tog­ra­phy” doesn’t just mean snap­ping pic­tures but learn­ing how to read, think, pro­duce, and talk about images, whether still or mov­ing. Art is the aes­thetic dimen­sion of any­thing inde­pen­dent from its use. Design is the aes­thetic dimen­sion of any­thing depen­dent upon its use. And “aes­thetic” is about beauty, yes, but also per­cep­tion. “Food” is about cook­ing and eat­ing, but also about our rela­tion­ship to plants and ani­mals and to each other and our indus­tries ori­ented around nutri­tion. Maybe “ecol­ogy” would be a bet­ter (or at least more encom­pass­ing) term. Lan­guages includes speak­ing, writ­ing, typ­ing, and nat­ural and pro­gram­ming lan­guages. And so on.

These are sci­ences with a body of knowl­edge, yes, but they’re also ways of think­ing about things, the world, indi­vid­ual peo­ple, soci­eties. Your aver­age bor­ing object sit­ting on your desk or table right now can be thought of in terms of its his­tory, its design, its eco­nom­ics, its pol­i­tics, its physics and chem­istry, etc. And if you take a look at the news­pa­pers, blogs, and books you read, they’re usu­ally doing one or more of these right now — refram­ing a prob­lem that you thought about one way in the light of another.

Music” or “Astron­omy” are still dis­ci­plines, but they don’t mean the same thing that they did in the Mid­dle Ages. The lib­eral arts for the new mil­le­nium doesn’t just change what the arts are — it changes what they mean.

Robin’s note: Weird, new com­ments seem to be bro­ken on this post. Don’t worry, we’ll con­tinue the con­ver­sa­tion on another one, soon.

Tim’s note: Com­ments are back!

42 Responses

    Robin says:

    Are you just talk­ing about lib­eral arts in a uni­ver­sity set­ting? I’ve always assumed that Kottke’s for­mu­la­tion referred to a set of ideas & skills that exist inde­pen­dent of the acad­emy. And I think that’s a much more inter­est­ing idea.

    Either way, to me the main thing is you gotta take the triv­ium — logic, gram­mar, and rhetoric — and absolutely blow them up mul­ti­me­dia style. In lib­eral arts 2.0, you learn the “gram­mar” of film and video. You learn how to manip­u­late an image in Pho­to­shop. You learn how to quickly eval­u­ate the qual­ity of a Wikipedia entry!

    I’d give “Design” two more slots to expand into, and if I’ve got to jet­ti­son “lit­er­a­ture” and “phi­los­o­phy” to do it… so be it! Not 100% sure what the extra two dimen­sions would be, but one would be some­thing like “Cog­ni­tive Sci­ence” or “Under­stand­ing Human Expe­ri­ence” or some­thing. It would basi­cally be about under­stand­ing the human brain and body in the con­text of actu­ally design­ing and mak­ing things in the world.

    And I think “Sta­tis­tics and Prob­a­bil­ity” should have a slot all its own. I think that’s, by far, the most impor­tant thing you’re going to get out of Math­e­mat­ics, so I’ll swap those.

    More later — but I’ve got a beef with “His­tory” and “Pol­i­tics” too :-)

    Dan says:

    I’m inter­ested in think­ing about a mod­ern triv­ium too. But I think stats prob­a­bly goes there, right along­side rhetoric. When we think about why your aver­age edu­cated indi­vid­ual needs to know about sta­tis­tics, it is not because they must be able to com­pute a stan­dard devi­a­tion, but because they need to be able to argue with and about data.

    Tim says:

    I’m think­ing about both aca­d­e­mic and non-academic con­texts. This is the stuff you’ve got to know about and pay atten­tion to. And if you look at, say, Kottke’s? or Snark­mar­ket? This is what gets paid atten­tion to.

    My first impulse was, yes, totally, let’s make this about dig­i­tal media. But when it came down to it, “design” and “pho­tog­ra­phy” were the two big ones that jumped out. Design is big, yes, but so are all the rest.

    I think the thing about it, at least for me, is that all these terms shift. His­tory and pol­i­tics or eco­nom­ics don’t just mean what you study in school. All of these things, in effect, become modes of think­ing sim­i­lar to gram­mar or logic or rhetoric.

    Math­e­mat­ics includes sta­tis­tics. That’s part of what mov­ing from “geom­e­try” and “arith­metic” to “math­e­mat­ics” means.

    Lan­guages doesn’t just include nat­ural lan­guages. Food doesn’t just include cook­ing and eat­ing. And so forth. All of the terms get reconfigured.

    Gavin says:

    I’m look­ing for­ward to hear­ing a cri­tique of the dis­ci­pline of his­tory from the co-composer of the “Amer­i­can Intel­lec­tual His­tory” song. :-)

    And what is “under­stand­ing human expe­ri­ence” if not philosophy?

    Robin says:

    Oh man, don’t get me STARTED. For as smart as they were, Plato and Aris­to­tle didn’t know ANYTHING about the brain. Kant, Wittgen­stein, great stuff — but I’ll read that for fun, and then base my real work on insight gleaned from cog­ni­tive sci­ence exper­i­ments, fMRI scans, etc.

    P.S. Just kid­ding, I don’t read Kant for fun.

    Tim says:

    Phi­los­o­phy isn’t about the brain. It’s about reflect­ing on the mean­ing, struc­ture, pos­si­bil­ity, or desir­abil­ity of what­ever it is that you’re doing. If you don’t like “phi­los­o­phy,” let’s say “the­ory” or “cri­tique.” And with­out spend­ing some time think­ing about that, you won’t even know what it is you’re look­ing for with your fMRIs.

    Tim says:

    Also, Robin — a hypoth­e­sis: Aris­to­tle for­got more about human anatomy than you’ll ever know.

    Peter says:

    I’ll nit­pick: Aris­to­tle was sig­nif­i­cantly more famil­iar with non-human anatomy than with human anatomy. Aristotle’s ideas on neu­ro­science (“con­scious­ness resides in the heart”) were cer­tainly off-base. And of course, there is the infa­mous case of the teeth…

    I’d also like to hijack this dis­cus­sion to ask what you think we should teach kids in grades 1–4. I have a list I’ve been work­ing on to replace the old cur­ricu­lum: hygiene, ecol­ogy, tax­on­omy, astron­omy, arith­metic, alge­bra, ety­mol­ogy, for­eign lan­guage, folk­lore and mythol­ogy, for­eign culture.

    My guid­ing prin­ci­ples being: 1) things that are fun to learn and to teach 2) gen­eral prin­ci­ples that have a lot of applic­a­bil­ity in later school­ing 3) things that will stick in young minds (based on my own expe­ri­ence: not history)

    Tim says:

    Phi­los­o­phy and biol­ogy are just in dif­fer­ent busi­nesses. As Aris­to­tle him­self said, just as you can define a house by what it’s made of or what it’s used for, a physi­cian and philoso­pher will both treat the soul in dif­fer­ent ways.

    A sailor can nav­i­gate by the stars with­out know­ing any­thing about celes­tial mechan­ics. I need to see some state­ment of phi­los­o­phy either val­i­dated or refuted by some new knowl­edge about the phys­i­ol­ogy of the brain before I’m will­ing to con­cede any­thing here.

    And let me just say­ing it again: phi­los­o­phy isn’t lim­ited to sit­ting around and read­ing the his­tory of phi­los­o­phy, just as pol­i­tics isn’t lim­ited to study­ing the his­tory of sys­tems of gov­ern­ment. These are basic ways of approach­ing dif­fer­ent kinds of phe­nom­ena. The modus operandi of phi­los­o­phy is to ask “when we say ____, what do we mean?” Again, if you can’t spend at least some time con­sid­er­ing the ram­i­fi­ca­tions of that ques­tion, you can’t turn to biol­ogy or his­tory or any­thing else to solve your prob­lems for you.

    Tim says:

    I also want a cita­tion for this “con­scious­ness resides in the heart” business.

    Robin says:

    Ha ha, only Peter Li would include ety­mol­ogy in his grade 1–4 curriculum!

    Great ques­tion, though. I’d def­i­nitely include some­thing about art — gosh, maybe even art his­tory. Art projects — build­ing things out of real, phys­i­cal mate­ri­als — are what I remem­ber best about grades 1–4.

    I guess you could extend that to sim­ple machines. What if, in grades 1–4, you became a total mas­ter of gears, levers, pul­leys & springs? What a neat intro to physics.

    I am totally with you on myth & folk­lore. Because the thing I *really* remem­ber best about grades 1–4 is read­ing D’Aulaire’s Book of Greek Myths over and over again. Those sto­ries are always seduc­tive, but never more than when you’re eight. At that age they’re basi­cally narcotic.

    Gavin says:

    Here’s my list:

    Com­po­si­tion

    Visual Lit­er­acy

    Design

    Performance/Presentation/Publication

    *

    Math­e­mat­ics & Statistics

    *

    Human­i­ties

    (Lan­guages

    Lit­er­a­ture

    Phi­los­o­phy

    His­tory)

    *

    The Human Sciences

    (Politics/Cultural Stud­ies

    Eco­nom­ics

    His­tory)

    *

    The Nat­ural Sciences

    (Physics/Chemistry

    Peter says:

    As far as Aris­to­tle believ­ing con­scious­ness resides in the heart, per­haps I over­reached. He did believe that sen­sa­tion, motor impulses, and mem­ory reside in the heart. Admit­tedly con­scious­ness is different.

    Aris­to­tle based most of his ideas of human anatomy on his under­stand­ing of ani­mal anatomy, and he believed all ani­mals have sen­sa­tions but only humans have thoughts. So it’s not so sur­pris­ing that he doesn’t seem to nail down the seat of thought anatom­i­cally. But given his ideas on the brain and heart in gen­eral (below), it seems sug­gested to me that he believed thought and con­scious­ness also reside in the heart.

    Citation-wise, his anatom­i­cal ideas are scat­tered between both philo­soph­i­cal and sci­en­tific texts. The anatom­i­cal in rela­tion to the psy­cho­log­i­cal is sum­ma­rized with­out much expla­na­tion in Parva Nat­u­ralia. Here’s a sec­ondary sum­mary from the intro­duc­tion to a trans­la­tion of Parva Nat­u­ralia and De Anima:

    [To Aris­to­tle, ] the heart is at once the phys­i­o­log­i­cal and psy­chi­cal cen­tre of man. … He rejects the doc­trine of Plato and Dio­genes of Apol­lo­nia, who regarded the brain as the organ of mind. To Aris­to­tle the brain is merely a reg­u­la­tor for the tem­per­a­ture of the heart; the brain is blood­less and cool, and the blood and warm vapours from the heart ris­ing to this are low­ered in tem­per­a­ture. By this phys­i­o­log­i­cal device, con­joined with the ser­vice of res­pi­ra­tion, Aris­to­tle sup­poses that the sys­tem is main­tained in a heat-equilibrium”

    Aristotle’s Psy­chol­ogy, A Trea­tise on the Prin­ci­ples of Life (De Anima and Parva Nat­u­ralia) By Aris­to­tle, William Alexan­der Hammond

    So, the heart: psy­chic cen­ter. The brain: heat sink.

    Now, in Aristotle’s defense, he had some good anatom­i­cal obser­va­tions that lead him to these con­clu­sions, for exam­ple the fact that the heart was the first organ he saw devel­op­ing in the chick embryo (he broke open eggs at dif­fer­ent stages of devel­op­ment to track this). Of course, Aristotle’s sci­ence was lim­ited by the tech­niques he had available.

    What occurs to me as an intrigu­ing ques­tion is whether Aristotle’s sci­ence was also lim­ited by his phi­los­o­phy: did his back­ground in a pri­ori rea­son­ing and just-so sto­ries hold back his poten­tial as an empiricist?

    The infa­mous case of the teeth is actu­ally a good exam­ple. Sci­en­tists like to make fun of Aris­to­tle for his asser­tion that men have more teeth than women (His­to­ria Ani­mal­ium). To para­phrase Bertrand Rus­sell: maybe he should have both­ered to look in his wife’s mouth. But oth­ers sug­gest that Aris­to­tle prob­a­bly did look in some mouths, and he just hap­pened to find women who were miss­ing teeth or whose back molars had not come in.

    Unfor­tu­nately, Aristotle’s state­ment on teeth is not accom­pa­nied with any expla­na­tion or details of where he derives the infor­ma­tion from. So is his fail­ing sim­ply in not look­ing, or is it in not report­ing his meth­ods? I would sub­mit that the sec­ond type of fail­ure could result from his philo­soph­i­cal back­ground. He was pretty good about detail­ing his empir­i­cal obser­va­tions in his more sci­en­tific work, but when he writes as a philoso­pher, even when he bases his con­clu­sions on empiri­cism (as in the ques­tion of where the sen­sa­tions reside) he does a poor job of refer­ring back to the evidence.

    Any­way, to get back on track, I think the orig­i­nal ques­tion was whether “under­stand­ing human expe­ri­ence” is a philo­soph­i­cal or neu­ro­science issue, and clearly it is both. But I agree with Robin that for a mod­ern cur­ricu­lum it is impor­tant to get the neu­ro­science side right. Bring­ing Aris­to­tle into it com­pli­cated things because he had both philo­soph­i­cal and sci­en­tific ideas on the subject.

    Peter says:

    Robin: totally agree that art, music, and basic mechan­ics projects would be excel­lent. One of my favorite and most edu­ca­tional toys was Capsela.

    Ety­mol­ogy is a good early topic I think because it informs spelling, pho­net­ics, vocab­u­lary, lan­guage study, and cul­tural understanding.

    jkottke says:

    Here’s the list I came up with shortly after con­coct­ing the term for a talk I did in early 2007:

    Graphic design, freako­nom­ics, pho­tog­ra­phy, pro­gram­ming, film, remix­ing, video games, food, adver­tis­ing, inter­net life skills, jour­nal­ism, fashion.

    I needed a way to describe what the hell it is kottke.org is about and lib­eral arts 2.0 seemed like a short­hand that peo­ple might under­stand, espe­cially when accom­pa­nied by the list. Basi­cally, an ele­va­tor pitch. Mak­ing the list took about three min­utes and it’s almost com­pletely descrip­tive so grain of salt and all that.

    Robin says:

    Pro­gram­ming! Of course! Gahhh I can’t believe I didn’t think of that straight-away.

    Actu­ally, those are *all* ter­rific. And here’s what’s impor­tant: Young peo­ple would excit­edly sign up to learn about that list. Would they do the same for a list that was “math, lit­er­a­ture, eco­nom­ics” — even if they were promised these were the NEW, AWESOME ver­sions of those subjects?

    I think we might have to go deeper in our refor­mu­la­tion. “Adver­tis­ing” becomes a new lib­eral art — and of course the pay­load is design, cog­ni­tive sci­ence, psy­chol­ogy, rhetoric (!), eco­nom­ics, and history.

    I am deeply influ­enced here by Howard Gard­ner, the scholar of edu­ca­tion & cre­ativ­ity, who argues that the best way to get into the big top­ics is through very focused entry points. You learn the skills of his­tory, the modes of think­ing, not by tak­ing a class on HISTORY — you learn ‘em by tak­ing a class on the Holo­caust, or on the Civil War, or Rome, etc.

    Basi­cally, if a list of new lib­eral arts maps in any way to the exist­ing depart­ment struc­ture at some uni­ver­sity, I think it’s a lit­tle suspicious :-)

    Tim says:

    Juve­nile come­back: I think you’re a lit­tle suspicious! ;-)

    Less-juvenile come­back: I’m totally guided by the same inter­dis­ci­pli­nary teach­ing model as your buddy Gard­ner. That’s how I teach. I do think though that when it comes to things like the Civil War or the Holo­caust, that your set of approaches really does often come down to some com­bi­na­tion of his­tory, lit­er­a­ture, pol­i­tics, eco­nom­ics, pho­tog­ra­phy, etc. Not that they don’t mix and match. These are tools, not content-containers.

    More-forward think­ing come­back: I said from the out­set that my list was con­ser­v­a­tive, but I do think there’s a dif­fer­ent value in iden­ti­fy­ing the lib­eral arts NOW vs. iden­ti­fy­ing the NEW lib­eral arts, i.e., emer­gent since 1800 or 1900 or whatevs.

    I think Jason’s list is more the lat­ter, which is good! In par­tic­u­lar, I really think that PHOTOGRAPHY (still or mov­ing, film or dig­i­tal, the sci­ence of light and images) is the most impor­tant new lib­eral art.

    JOURNALISM is another, hon­est to good­ness, scienza nuouva. Sorry I missed it.

    DESIGN morphs from archi­tec­ture and becomes both phys­i­cal and visual, engi­neer­ing and fashion.

    LANGUAGES is also new — philol­ogy is only 200 years old, dic­tio­nar­ies not much older, lin­guis­tics 100, and seri­ous attempts to code lan­guage between 50 and 150. And being mul­ti­lin­gual takes on a dif­fer­ent impor­tance in a more thor­oughly glob­ally inter­con­nected world.

    Any­ways, if I had to hang my hat on any four NEW SCIENCES, it’d be those.

    Dan says:

    Per­haps its only because I have a poor mem­ory, but I think its a waste to spend too much time teach­ing con­tent in ele­men­tary school. I’m all about the skillz.

    Myths—which I noted in my K-8 teach­ing expe­ri­ence were fan­tas­tic texts for kids—should be taught pre­cisely b/c they get kids to read and teach them to tell sto­ries. Pick a good vari­ety and they also serve as a sort of intro to multi-culturalism.

    So my list:

    Read­ing and Writ­ing (in many gen­res)— i.e. have the kids run a news­pa­per, per­form plays they’ve writ­ten, recite poetry before audi­ences, tell one another stories…If they learn his­tory, it will only be because their teacher gives them a whole bunch of pic­tures and let­ters and they have to tell a story explain­ing what hap­pened through them, or because they find some good children’s his­to­ries to read

    Music — singing and instruments(perhaps elec­tronic); per­form­ing student-composed music on sim­ple instru­ments, per­haps as accom­pa­ni­ment to a student-written play

    Math, logic, and pro­gram­ming — games, a bit of rote, and lots of problems

    Mechan­ics, arts, cooking/chemistry and nat­ural his­tory — stu­dents build stuff, mold stuff, mix stuff, and collect/categorize stuff (and they make cool Web­sites, cat­a­logs, or book­lets to describe and present their work— every­thing is an excuse to learn to write more effectively)

    Group games and sports — includ­ing danc­ing of var­i­ous vari­eties (the main goal here must be to help stu­dents leave behind their dig­nity, with it propen­sity to sti­fle creativity)

    Dan says:

    Regard­ing Gard­ner, the book Robin alluded to is titled _The Dis­ci­plined Mind_. He agrees with Tim: bore deep into a sin­gle, impor­tant topic; use that topic to induct stu­dents into the meth­ods and prac­tices of the disciplines.

    So, I guess, Robin needs to be sus­pi­cious of himself.

    Tim says:

    Dan’s Danc­ing Child Care:

    Creo Novus Absque Dignitate

    (Cre­ate the New With­out Dignity)

    Robin says:

    Whoah. Tim, your char­ac­ter­i­za­tion of lan­guages as new — & your accom­pa­ny­ing chronol­ogy — offi­cially just blew my mind. I had no idea the sys­tem­atic study of lan­guage was so… young!

    Gavin says:

    Eng­lish Lit­er­a­ture depart­ments only date to the mid-19th cen­tury. Before that it was all Latin and Greek in Eng­lish and Amer­i­can uni­ver­si­ties. Nov­els were things that women read. (If you trace the demo­graph­ics, they still are. Take that, self-important male writers!)

    I’d hes­i­tate to include “Jour­nal­ism” for rea­sons that echo Dan. I want stu­dents to be able to be able to write—to con­vey infor­ma­tion effec­tively (and per­haps with just a touch of style) using lan­guage. Espe­cially with the nearly-dead print news­pa­per, I’m not sure that teach­ing “jour­nal­ism” makes any more sense than teach­ing “novel writ­ing.” Teach respon­si­ble writ­ing, and the abil­ity to dis­tin­guish between fact and opin­ion, but the lat­ter has as much to do with logic and crit­i­cal read­ing as any­thing else, doesn’t it?

    (And I also want to empha­size that “com­po­si­tion” was linked in my sys­tem to “design” and “visual lit­er­acy.” I agree with Tim’s char­ac­ter­i­za­tion of what he calls PHOTOGRAPHY as one of the impor­tant inno­va­tions of the 20th cen­tury, but would take the same issue with the word that I did with “jour­nal­ism.” Film is dis­ap­pear­ing, and the lay­out of text, art­work, images, and design ele­ments are of equal impor­tance in “visual lit­er­acy” as light strik­ing a chemically-treated medium.)

    Tim says:

    In their own way, gram­mar, rhetoric, and logic are sys­tem­atic the­o­ries of lan­guage, but seri­ous non-normative and/or com­par­a­tive study of lan­guage in the way we’d rec­og­nize it today is a phe­nom­e­non of the Enlight­en­ment and (espe­cially) Roman­ti­cism. (See where know­ing some­thing about his­tory is useful?)

    Jour­nal­ism is some­thing dif­fer­ent from writ­ing and some­thing dif­fer­ent from his­tory or pol­i­tics or sci­ence. We need to be able to read, write, and think about things that are hap­pen­ing now. Report­ing is dif­fer­ent from research or writ­ing. And while I have nag­ging doubts about the idea that every­one should pro­duce some kind of jour­nal­is­tic text, it’s clearly the case that non­pro­fes­sional jour­nal­ists are going to make a big­ger and big­ger con­tri­bu­tion to the news. So as read­ers, view­ers, writ­ers, mak­ers, and tak­ers of news, we need to know some­thing about it.

    Pho­tog­ra­phy” is both the old­est term (um, 19th cen­tury) and the term that I pre­dict will last, that will describe still and mov­ing pic­tures, and TV and cel­lu­loid and dig­i­tal, when “film” is either long gone or dena­tured, like “online newspaper.”

    I can absolutely sup­port the teach­ing of myths to ele­men­tary school stu­dents, but 1) it has to be done in con­nec­tion with astron­omy; 2) “myths” must include the orig­i­nal Star Wars tril­ogy; and 3) kids ought to know actual his­tory! It doesn’t mean they need to be able to recite Pres­i­dents or dates of con­quest. But a big sense of our shared human and ter­res­trial past is just… I don’t know. I think it’s essential.

    Robin says:

    Should we do a Snark­mar­ket pam­phlet on the New Lib­eral Arts?

    I imag­ine a fac­ing page treat­ment, like a book in trans­la­tion. Each con­trib­u­tor gets:

    Left page: Your list.

    Right page: Your manifesto/argument/defense.

    And maybe some sug­gested read­ings thrown in there, too. Other fun things TBD.

    Can we con­vince JKot­tke to write the introduction??

    Britta says:

    Write it for him, quot­ing together what he’s posted, and put some Twit­ter mes­sages as run­ning heads. Perfect.

    Theresa M says:

    Food def­i­nitely needs to be on the list. The pol­i­tics of of eat­ing. Self sus­tain­ing gar­dens. City gar­den­ing. Slow foods. Eco-gastronomy.

    What about ecology?

    R J Keefe says:

    Just to con­sol­i­date a few of the above under a crys­tal­liz­ing head­ing: STEWARDSHIP. Not just one semes­ter of it, either.

    In addi­tion to IMAGERY, NARRATIVE, and MYTHOLOGY, I’d cre­ate a layman’s course, stu­diously avoid­ing legalese (and pre-law), on LAW & REGULATION.

    gboone says:

    Here’s my take on it. The way I under­stand Lib­eral Arts is that they are not skills, they are not nec­es­sar­ily “prac­ti­cal” stud­ies, i.e. an Eco­nom­ics major is not learn­ing some­thing that will train that per­son for any spe­cific job, rather they are aca­d­e­mic dis­ci­plines focused on acquir­ing some kind of uni­ver­sal higher truth, i.e. they are time­less dis­ci­plines which will be rel­e­vant for all time regard­less of what mod­ern­iza­tions or soci­etal changes may bring about and there­fore must always be stud­ied by as many peo­ple as pos­si­ble; it is not new dis­ci­plines we need, it is a new approach to *teach­ing* the triv­ium and the quadriv­ium. It is eas­ier to under­stand what I mean with the lat­ter, because of the way the sci­en­tific method oper­ates, it is con­stantly build­ing off of what it learned yes­ter­day and thus eas­ier to keep it rel­e­vant. The for­mer, the triv­ium, by con­trast, is a bit more dif­fi­cult because what is meant by “gram­mar,” “rhetoric,” and “lan­guage,” has changed sig­nif­i­cantly since the Enlight­en­ment. Rhetoric as Aris­to­tle under­stood it, is quite at odds with how Ken­neth Burke defined it and under­stood it in the 1930’s. The dif­fer­ent schools of thought on the sub­ject are whether the new the­o­ries are valid or use­ful, or if Rhetoric is the same today as it was when Aris­to­tle wrote “The Rhetoric,” i.e., some say rhetoric is sim­ply dis­sect­ing speeches into ethos, pathos, and logos, while for oth­ers, it is more about how sym­bols are used to cre­ate meaning.

    The prob­lem with the lib­eral arts in the 21st cen­tury is does not nec­es­sar­ily lie in the sub­jects taught in a “lib­eral arts acad­emy,” rather it is how expan­sive and rel­e­vant an approach is taken to pur­su­ing them. My groups are:

    Human­i­ties:

    Aes­thet­ics

    Lin­guis­tics

    Phi­los­o­phy

    *

    Sci­ences:

    Math­e­mat­i­cal Sciences

    Nat­ural Sciences

    Quan­tum Sciences

    Invent­ing new cat­e­gories like Pho­tog­ra­phy, Jour­nal­ism, Adver­tis­ing, etc. lim­its and excises some impor­tant, long stand­ing “lib­eral arts” con­cepts that need to be con­sid­ered. Pho­tog­ra­phy itself, the process of cap­tur­ing light to pro­duce an image, is noth­ing with­out a deeper under­stand­ing of aes­thet­ics, physics and phi­los­o­phy. Sim­i­larly, Jour­nal­ism is even more spe­cific and even less of a lib­eral art. Jour­nal­ism schools teach a very spe­cific style of writ­ing, research and story telling that is much dif­fer­ent, and much less uni­ver­sally applic­a­ble than teach­ing effec­tive writ­ing more broadly. If we are going to over­haul the Lib­eral Arts frame­work, replac­ing the triv­ium and quadriv­ium ” with “graphic design, pho­tog­ra­phy, and jour­nal­ism” we need to make sure that “Lib­eral Arts” is still about big ideas, crit­i­cal think­ing, and the pur­suit of uni­ver­sal truth.

    Then again, I am a lib­eral arts stu­dent so I’m prob­a­bly just talk­ing out my ass.

    Tim says:

    And talk­ing out of your ass may be the great­est lib­eral art of all. First philosophy!

    Robin says:

    @gboone: I like “Quan­tum Sci­ences” on your list. In my head that would also include stuff like the study of com­plex sys­tems, prob­a­bil­ity, etc. — more than just quantum-scale physics. But either way, smart addition.

    Tim says:

    Yes — I read ‘quan­tum sci­ences’ and went “whoa.”

    CC says:

    I can’t believe no one has men­tioned Anthropology…

    Dan says:

    I want to jump back to Robin’s fMRI fix­a­tion and con­sider the mod­ern dis­ci­pline of psy­chol­ogy. In so doing, I want to con­vince you all that the lib­eral arts should be con­ceived as run­ning orthog­o­nally to the disciplines.

    What makes a good—and I mean a really good—research psy­chol­o­gist? I’ll posit three elements:

    1. an abil­ity to frame answer­able ques­tions draw­ing on the tools of the dis­ci­pline (be they scan­ners, flash­cards, stop­watches, or sta­tis­ti­cal methods)

    2. the abil­ity to pick a worth­while ques­tion; the power to scale up from small study to sig­nif­i­cant finding

    3. the abil­ity to con­vey new knowl­edge to a world that might be resis­tant to it.

    This list could also dis­till down to:

    1. sci­ence

    2. human­i­ties

    3. rhetoric

    That is:

    1. fram­ing answer­able inves­ti­ga­tions; get­ting durable knowledge

    2. ask­ing big ques­tions; judg­ing value; under­stand­ing purpose

    3. con­vey­ing; express­ing; persuading—broadly: communicating

    Which all maps pretty well to:

    1. Truth [most lim­ited, yet most powerful]

    2. Good [most impor­tant, b/c foundational]

    3. Beauty [most expan­sive, and most delightful]

    And we’re back to Howard Gard­ner. Or Aristotle.

    Dan says:

    My point: we shouldn’t try to pick out the dis­ci­plines that fit inside the lib­eral arts. We should see how the dis­ci­plines encom­pass the lib­eral arts.

    Now think of history.

    It’s got a form (NARRATIVE) that com­mu­ni­cates ideas very effectively.[Rhetoric/Beauty]

    It pro­duces trust­wor­thy knowl­edge about the past by effec­tively gath­er­ing and clas­si­fy­ing data (ARCHIVINGDATA-MANAGING, be that data machine-readable or not).[Science/Truth]

    It serves the broader pur­pose of sup­port­ing a big, crazy, chang­ing world by show­ing how un-natural that world is: how it evolved hap­haz­ardly due to a thou­sand tiny con­tin­gen­cies (De-NATURALIZING).[Humanities/Good]

    Tim says:

    @Dan: truth/science, good/humanities, and beauty/rhetoric also maps very nicely onto Kant’s Three Critiques:

    Pure Rea­son (how is knowl­edge possible?);

    Prac­ti­cal Rea­son (how is ethics possibile?);

    and Judg­ment (how is aes­thet­ics possible?).

    Tim says:

    But! I guess what I’m skep­ti­cal about are the following.

    1) Com­mu­ni­ca­tion and beauty aren’t the same thing. At all.

    2) Value in the sense of the good and value in the sense of the use­ful are related but aren’t quite the same thing.

    3) “Durable knowl­edge” really does mean dif­fer­ent things across the disciplines.

    4) There is and has always been a “lib­eral arts” that is like the triv­ium and a lib­eral arts that is like the quadriv­ium, arts of form and those of content/disciplinarity. Going back to the Greeks and Romans, there are even prac­ti­cal lib­eral arts like archi­tec­ture and med­i­cine. The lib­eral arts have always been het­eroge­nous. So there is no rea­son why we should be unduly anx­ious about puri­fy­ing away dis­ci­pline– or media-specific modes of inquiry.

    Dan says:

    Ah, I intended no purification.

    Rather, I’m happy to con­tinue talk­ing about what new dis­ci­plines and media-specific modes of inquiry grab our atten­tion these days. That’s ulti­mately what I gather this book-project to be about. But I think the truth/beauty/good nexus ought to help as a tool for assess­ment. If a new mode or dis­ci­pline does not con­tribute notably to all of them: it’s incomplete.

    Dan says:

    As for beauty and com­mu­ni­ca­tion, I’m stick­ing to my argu­ment that at the very least they map onto one another in a non-trivial way. Maybe we can think of beauty as an old-timey mea­sure of com­mu­nica­tive effec­tive­ness. Com­mu­ni­ca­tion is prefer­able because it’s more expan­sive a term. I want “beauty” to be more evoca­tive. And since the New Lib­eral Arts take design so seri­ously, I think beauty ties together visual and writ­ten rhetoric nicely.

    Value: in the end, unless you have a sense of pur­pose, of the good, I don’t see how you can have a mea­sure of utility.

    Durable knowl­edge: exactly! I want us to think about the dis­ci­plines as a whole host of won­der­ful knowl­edge defin­ing tra­di­tions. The liberally-trained indi­vid­ual need not be flu­ent in all of them, but knows they exist.

    Dan says:

    Why have I writ­ten these posts:

    1. Much of the New Lib­eral Arts dis­cus­sion in the other post, while excit­ing and fas­ci­nat­ing, strikes me as a tad super­fi­cial: lots of gee-whiz, lots of prac­ti­cal power, but maybe not ask­ing “why” and “what for.” By all means, let’s dis­cuss the New Beauty of today, or the New Sci­ence, but only if we also con­sider the New Humanities.

    2. As a kind of response to the anti-humanities fight at the begin­ning of the other thread. My argu­ment here: the human­i­ties are not truly sep­a­rate from the sci­ences. With­out con­sid­er­ing the value of sci­en­tific knowl­edge, it’s, well, val­ue­less. Human­ists (be they trained as philoso­phers, his­to­ri­ans, or sci­en­tists) need to ask fun­da­men­tal ques­tions about science.

    More writ­ing about Thoreau!

    Robin says:

    Ha… I’m sen­si­tive to the super­fi­cial point, b/c I think it might be right. These NLAs are going to carry the thumbprint of the fads, obses­sions, and enthu­si­asms of 2009. But I think that’s okay. We’re not try­ing to etch a new list of lib­eral arts in stone; we’re try­ing to push the con­ver­sa­tion for­ward, to poke and prod. And to that end, teas­ing things apart and tak­ing a few risks is bet­ter than just say­ing, “oh, you know what? Turns out it was truth, beauty and good all along. Yup.”

    That said: Maybe we should have a lit­tle meter in the cor­ner of every page that rates each NLA accord­ing to the axes of truth/beauty/good :-)

    Dan says:

    Yes! Axes! That’s what I’m talk­ing about.

    Tim says:

    Some lib­eral arts are just a lit­tle more meta-arty than oth­ers. Eval­u­at­ing, dis­crim­i­nat­ing, and ques­tion­ing value is one of those. (And yes, I just did that.)

    I have always liked the idea that at their core, the lib­eral arts carry with them a par­tic­u­larly human­ist sense of value, with­out nec­es­sar­ily all of the philo­soph­i­cal com­mit­ments of human­ism. Essen­tially, this boils down to the idea that knowl­edge and the trans­mis­sion of human learn­ing is good, that it ben­e­fits us spir­i­tu­ally, eth­i­cally, prac­ti­cally, even when its ben­e­fits aren’t obvi­ous on any of those counts.

    We’ve had a big fat slug in our off-site chart of new lib­eral arts, titled “ethics.” And next to it, some­one typed — with­out any sense of irony, I swear — “needs development.”

    I don’t know if “ethics” does the trick. But some sense of philosophy-ethics-humanism, that can try to rea­son in this light of under­stand­ing value, of a sci­ence of the self that can answer or at least con­tin­u­ally pose that philo-humanist a pri­ori ques­tion — “when we do X, what do we mean?” — yes, I think we have to say that we need that!

    Or fuck it, lib­eral arts mora­to­rium, because we need bet­ter batteries.

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