Comments on: ‘The correct use of a semicolon is a big red flag for me’ http://snarkmarket.com/2011/7108 The stomping grounds of Tim Carmody, Robin Sloan and Matt Thompson. It's a long-running conversation about media, journalism, technology, cities, culture, design, books, music, movies, the future and the past. Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:20:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Saheli http://snarkmarket.com/2011/7108/comment-page-1#comment-33902 Saheli Tue, 28 Jun 2011 00:36:58 +0000 http://snarkmarket.com/?p=7108#comment-33902 That's interesting. I wouldn't have phrased it quite that way, but I was also nauseated by the idea. I had so much pride in my writing and my ability to write a paper in college. How could anyone else write the paper <i>I</i> could write? In retrospect that pride was perhaps a bit misplaced and somewhat laughable, but it was very real. I think that, even if I did not have that pride, the values thing would certainly stand in the way, but since we know that it's basically impossible to systematically instill values in people, perhaps instilling such pride in people would be a more scalable deterrent. That’s interesting. I wouldn’t have phrased it quite that way, but I was also nauseated by the idea. I had so much pride in my writing and my ability to write a paper in college. How could anyone else write the paper I could write? In retrospect that pride was perhaps a bit misplaced and somewhat laughable, but it was very real. I think that, even if I did not have that pride, the values thing would certainly stand in the way, but since we know that it’s basically impossible to systematically instill values in people, perhaps instilling such pride in people would be a more scalable deterrent.

]]> By: Nick Paloukos http://snarkmarket.com/2011/7108/comment-page-1#comment-33501 Nick Paloukos Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:21:37 +0000 http://snarkmarket.com/?p=7108#comment-33501 Agree. Too much focus on destination instead of journey. The grade is the goal, rather than the process of absorbing info and coming up with our own thoughts and conclusions (learning!). Agree. Too much focus on destination instead of journey. The grade is the goal, rather than the process of absorbing info and coming up with our own thoughts and conclusions (learning!).

]]> By: pansypotter http://snarkmarket.com/2011/7108/comment-page-1#comment-33490 pansypotter Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:16:02 +0000 http://snarkmarket.com/?p=7108#comment-33490 I don't even like to plagiarise myself! Hate copying even my own words rather than trying to create something afresh . . . I don’t even like to plagiarise myself! Hate copying even my own words rather than trying to create something afresh …

]]> By: Leslie Healey http://snarkmarket.com/2011/7108/comment-page-1#comment-33483 Leslie Healey Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0000 http://snarkmarket.com/?p=7108#comment-33483 Ditto on the self-concept for me. I also find my high school students satisfied with knowing about something- be it a story, an equation, a historical event, a poem-instead of knowing it for themselves. They will spend almost as much time on spark notes as it would take to devour a good book. They suck the joy right out of experience, simply because school has taught them that the grade is paramount. We have taught them to be good learners. Some of them are surprised that I have maintained my love of reading and writing (English teacher). Ditto on the self-concept for me. I also find my high school students satisfied with knowing about something– be it a story, an equation, a historical event, a poem-instead of knowing it for themselves. They will spend almost as much time on spark notes as it would take to devour a good book. They suck the joy right out of experience, simply because school has taught them that the grade is paramount. We have taught them to be good learners. Some of them are surprised that I have maintained my love of reading and writing (English teacher).

]]> By: Sean Loiselle http://snarkmarket.com/2011/7108/comment-page-1#comment-33481 Sean Loiselle Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:06:12 +0000 http://snarkmarket.com/?p=7108#comment-33481 Interesting to consider self-abnegation/plagiarism in terms of "fair use" and the Kind of Bloop fiasco going around. And the "Everything is a Remix" series. There's a gradient there, but I don't think most of us could pinpoint precisely where we cease feeling comfortable with it. Do you think Led Zeppelin felt like they abnegated their artistic expression by lifting so freely from others' works? Do you feel like they abnegated something? To another point, I think most students already feel like their responsibility is solely to synthesize information presented by the teacher -- the papers they create already borrow liberally and directly from their sources. They just reprocess the information in their own language without adding originality or a greater context. Is copying and pasting so much different than gaming the answer you believe "the teacher wants?" Interesting to consider self-abnegation/plagiarism in terms of “fair use” and the Kind of Bloop fiasco going around. And the “Everything is a Remix” series. There’s a gradient there, but I don’t think most of us could pinpoint precisely where we cease feeling comfortable with it.

Do you think Led Zeppelin felt like they abnegated their artistic expression by lifting so freely from others’ works? Do you feel like they abnegated something?

To another point, I think most students already feel like their responsibility is solely to synthesize information presented by the teacher — the papers they create already borrow liberally and directly from their sources. They just reprocess the information in their own language without adding originality or a greater context. Is copying and pasting so much different than gaming the answer you believe “the teacher wants?”

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