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		<title>By: Phillip Kwik</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-32425</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Kwik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a tremendous post. Thank you.

I &quot;rediscovered&quot; Marguerite Hart&#039;s gift to us -- this tremendous snap shot of history, this homage to libraries -- while arranging the papers of the Library in anticipation of a possible closing. The Troy City Council has said that the Library will close if an August 2, 2011, millage does not pass.

These letters speak to a different time -- a more compassionate time -- when we understood the need for public reading, public libraries. A time so unlike now, when there is no sense of public good, no sense that we are only as strong as our weakest link.

Let us hope that common sense prevails in this City and that the millage is approved. If not, the lessons from these letter writers will have been written in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a tremendous post. Thank you.</p>
<p>I “rediscovered” Marguerite Hart’s gift to us — this tremendous snap shot of history, this homage to libraries — while arranging the papers of the Library in anticipation of a possible closing. The Troy City Council has said that the Library will close if an August 2, 2011, millage does not pass.</p>
<p>These letters speak to a different time — a more compassionate time — when we understood the need for public reading, public libraries. A time so unlike now, when there is no sense of public good, no sense that we are only as strong as our weakest link.</p>
<p>Let us hope that common sense prevails in this City and that the millage is approved. If not, the lessons from these letter writers will have been written in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: Saheli</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-32025</link>
		<dc:creator>Saheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not exactly nostalgic for past forms, but for past enthusiasms and the wideness of scope of past endeavors--not on the part of the patrons, but on the part of the voting populace. I felt like when I was a kid people were still enthusiastic about the idea of public endeavors built for the community by the community, and forced to be truly public forever by the then still honorable imprimatur of &#039;government.&#039; Now, miniature public works all seem like hopeless partisan and increasingly impractical pipe dreams. There&#039;s something sort of righteous and possessed by all about innovations and endeavors that are truly, legally public--not nonprofits, not social enterprises, not loose collectives or online communities. I&#039;m all ears on how to proceed, but everything from our evolution into a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/low_tax.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;low tax country&lt;/a&gt; to our excessive &lt;a href=&quot;http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inequality&lt;/a&gt; makes me wonder if much of our class&#039;s obsession with innovation is not really going to serve the whole as much as it could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not exactly nostalgic for past forms, but for past enthusiasms and the wideness of scope of past endeavors–not on the part of the patrons, but on the part of the voting populace. I felt like when I was a kid people were still enthusiastic about the idea of public endeavors built for the community by the community, and forced to be truly public forever by the then still honorable imprimatur of ‘government.’ Now, miniature public works all seem like hopeless partisan and increasingly impractical pipe dreams. There’s something sort of righteous and possessed by all about innovations and endeavors that are truly, legally public–not nonprofits, not social enterprises, not loose collectives or online communities. I’m all ears on how to proceed, but everything from our evolution into a <a href="http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/low_tax.html" rel="nofollow">low tax country</a> to our excessive <a href="http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph" rel="nofollow">inequality</a> makes me wonder if much of our class’s obsession with innovation is not really going to serve the whole as much as it could.</p>
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		<title>By: Saheli</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-32024</link>
		<dc:creator>Saheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes Greco, I think I just fell into a massive internet productivity hole from Adam Greenfield&#039;s site. Thanks! 

I know that there exist examples one way, and counter-examples the other way. There&#039;s plenty of great and vibrant stuff going on in the field of community works and libraries. My regret is more for a lost confidence that society as a whole was going to use the mechanism of being organized in governments to do great things for itself. It may still do that, but I don&#039;t think our kids are going to be nearly as confident of that as I was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes Greco, I think I just fell into a massive internet productivity hole from Adam Greenfield’s site. Thanks! </p>
<p>I know that there exist examples one way, and counter-examples the other way. There’s plenty of great and vibrant stuff going on in the field of community works and libraries. My regret is more for a lost confidence that society as a whole was going to use the mechanism of being organized in governments to do great things for itself. It may still do that, but I don’t think our kids are going to be nearly as confident of that as I was.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Sloan</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-31978</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how Rob&#039;s #2 above almost begins to heed this call to action, Adam. Yes: it&#039;s not about saving all the libraries, preserving them in state. (At least I don&#039;t think so.) It&#039;s about mapping new spaces &amp; weaving new threads, a new net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how Rob’s #2 above almost begins to heed this call to action, Adam. Yes: it’s not about saving all the libraries, preserving them in state. (At least I don’t think so.) It’s about mapping new spaces &amp; weaving new threads, a new net.</p>
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		<title>By: robertogreco</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-31968</link>
		<dc:creator>robertogreco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nodding my head to Saheli&#039;s &quot;beautiful post and collection&quot;. But, I&#039;m more optimistic about what awaits our generation&#039;s children, at least for the time being, because:

(1) My family lives at the public libraries. Wherever we go, even on vacation, we find a library. I often say that we collect visits to libraries. While hours might be trimmed or in danger of trimming, libraries are incredibly busy these days. Here in San Diego, public outcry has saved the libraries from proposed cuts. My daughter collects her library receipts and had them ready to share at City Hall as evidence of &quot;books that she would probably not have been able to read had it not been for the libraries.&quot; (In the end, she didn&#039;t need to do that, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/rogre/status/79724442678329346&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;she and her brother did need to speak to City Council&lt;/a&gt; about cuts to the public pools and swimming programs.)

(2) As far as public spaces go, there seems to be a renewed interest in Situationist thinking, especially through urban computing. For me, that&#039;s like having a library spread over the entire urban fabric. (Some references collected &lt;a href=&quot;http://leighblackall.blogspot.com/2011/05/situated-art-situated-learning-en-route.html?showComment=1304811277586#c3796785547271803082&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, though you might start with Adam Greenfield&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/the-overarching-vision/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The overarching vision&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nodding my head to Saheli’s “beautiful post and collection”. But, I’m more optimistic about what awaits our generation’s children, at least for the time being, because:</p>
<p>(1) My family lives at the public libraries. Wherever we go, even on vacation, we find a library. I often say that we collect visits to libraries. While hours might be trimmed or in danger of trimming, libraries are incredibly busy these days. Here in San Diego, public outcry has saved the libraries from proposed cuts. My daughter collects her library receipts and had them ready to share at City Hall as evidence of “books that she would probably not have been able to read had it not been for the libraries.” (In the end, she didn’t need to do that, but <a href="http://twitter.com/rogre/status/79724442678329346" rel="nofollow">she and her brother did need to speak to City Council</a> about cuts to the public pools and swimming programs.)</p>
<p>(2) As far as public spaces go, there seems to be a renewed interest in Situationist thinking, especially through urban computing. For me, that’s like having a library spread over the entire urban fabric. (Some references collected <a href="http://leighblackall.blogspot.com/2011/05/situated-art-situated-learning-en-route.html?showComment=1304811277586#c3796785547271803082" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though you might start with Adam Greenfield’s “<a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/the-overarching-vision/" rel="nofollow">The overarching vision</a>”.)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Rothstein</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-31953</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Rothstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Letters to Children on the Occasion of the Closing of Their Library&quot;.

Necessary. Not because the pessimism and anger would echo the hope and spirit of these letters; but because now more than ever, we all (not just children) need some advice and reflection on how to proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Letters to Children on the Occasion of the Closing of Their Library”.</p>
<p>Necessary. Not because the pessimism and anger would echo the hope and spirit of these letters; but because now more than ever, we all (not just children) need some advice and reflection on how to proceed.</p>
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		<title>By: Saheli</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-31657</link>
		<dc:creator>Saheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really happy for you, b/c this is a beautiful post and collection and I feel like *I* have a connection to that library just from talking to you about libraries over the years and then. ..

&lt;i&gt;What fortune. Born at the right time.&lt;/i&gt;

This made me unbelievably sad, because I suddenly have this sinking feeling that our generation&#039;s children will not have the same connection with public spaces and public enterprise and civic community that we had. It&#039;s not really a feeling based on evidence, just a cumulative reaction to closed parks, trimmed library hours, etc., etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really happy for you, b/c this is a beautiful post and collection and I feel like *I* have a connection to that library just from talking to you about libraries over the years and then. ..</p>
<p><i>What fortune. Born at the right time.</i></p>
<p>This made me unbelievably sad, because I suddenly have this sinking feeling that our generation’s children will not have the same connection with public spaces and public enterprise and civic community that we had. It’s not really a feeling based on evidence, just a cumulative reaction to closed parks, trimmed library hours, etc., etc..</p>
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		<title>By: sherada collins</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-31592</link>
		<dc:creator>sherada collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember sitting in the &quot;stacks&quot; at the Plymouth Library wondering how I would ever finish all the Little House on the Prairie books...but I did. That library is now a space ship. Check it out. A thing of beauty is a joy forever. Thanks Margaret Dunning and all the other supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember sitting in the “stacks” at the Plymouth Library wondering how I would ever finish all the Little House on the Prairie books…but I did. That library is now a space ship. Check it out. A thing of beauty is a joy forever. Thanks Margaret Dunning and all the other supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson Miner</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2011/6937/comment-page-1#comment-31556</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson Miner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely. Those sensory macros also unlocked some memories for me, also starting with the ride in my dad&#039;s car. I think new libraries in a certain size of town must have been built all around the same time, and have the same kind of whooshing doors and the same smell, and the same carpet, and the same lingering power over us who were children just before the dawn of the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely. Those sensory macros also unlocked some memories for me, also starting with the ride in my dad’s car. I think new libraries in a certain size of town must have been built all around the same time, and have the same kind of whooshing doors and the same smell, and the same carpet, and the same lingering power over us who were children just before the dawn of the Internet.</p>
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