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	<title>Comments on: You’ve got the sickness, I’ve got the medicine</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Battles</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12115</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Battles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely post—a sharp &amp; perfect interposing of quotes! 

I&#039;m thinking that a lot of the stuff Shirky celebrates as generously shared creativity is actually a way of putting boredom to (someone else&#039;s) use. What is Farmville but an ingenious way to commoditize boredom? Marcuse had a point when he called ennui &quot;society&#039;s most natural ally in maintaining law &amp; order.&quot; I find Shirky&#039;s anecdotes in &lt;em&gt;Cognitive Surplus&lt;/em&gt; a bit disappointing for this reason—in the West, it&#039;s all LOLcats and marginal philanthropy; in societies where the politics are more urgent, the cognition that directs political action on the Internet can&#039;t really be called &quot;surplus,&quot; because that flow needs all the stock it can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely post—a sharp &amp; perfect interposing of quotes! </p>
<p>I’m thinking that a lot of the stuff Shirky celebrates as generously shared creativity is actually a way of putting boredom to (someone else’s) use. What is Farmville but an ingenious way to commoditize boredom? Marcuse had a point when he called ennui “society’s most natural ally in maintaining law &amp; order.” I find Shirky’s anecdotes in <em>Cognitive Surplus</em> a bit disappointing for this reason—in the West, it’s all LOLcats and marginal philanthropy; in societies where the politics are more urgent, the cognition that directs political action on the Internet can’t really be called “surplus,” because that flow needs all the stock it can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carmody</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12109</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This, I think, is one of the really powerful and maybe undervalued things about television -- it recedes into the background. We can engage with it ambiently and intermittently while we do other things -- talk, cook, knit, sleep, even consume other media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, I think, is one of the really powerful and maybe undervalued things about television — it recedes into the background. We can engage with it ambiently and intermittently while we do other things — talk, cook, knit, sleep, even consume other media.</p>
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		<title>By: What’s next for TV? &#171; Snarkmarket</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12108</link>
		<dc:creator>What’s next for TV? &#171; Snarkmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a post yes­ter­day, I offhand­edly referred to “giv­ing up TV.” But like giv­ing up Face­book, very few of us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] a post yes­ter­day, I offhand­edly referred to “giv­ing up TV.” But like giv­ing up Face­book, very few of us […]</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12106</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to talk about all of the non-passive results of tv watching and the internet, actually (as the comment below points out, there are active fanfic communities for any number of shows). Not to mention things like Memory Alpha (a Star Trek fan-created encyclopedia), and many other documentation or criticism activities. I get the point that once we get comfortable with the idea of leisure time, we start making things, but I don&#039;t think our self-amusement options break down neatly into passive vs. active at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to talk about all of the non-passive results of tv watching and the internet, actually (as the comment below points out, there are active fanfic communities for any number of shows). Not to mention things like Memory Alpha (a Star Trek fan-created encyclopedia), and many other documentation or criticism activities. I get the point that once we get comfortable with the idea of leisure time, we start making things, but I don’t think our self-amusement options break down neatly into passive vs. active at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Britta</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12105</link>
		<dc:creator>Britta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also the vast swath of young people who watch plenty of TV but then write fanfiction about their favorite shows &#8212; re-making passive entertainment into a creative, community-based activity with the help of the internet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s also the vast swath of young people who watch plenty of TV but then write fanfiction about their favorite shows — re-making passive entertainment into a creative, community-based activity with the help of the internet…</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12103</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us are watching tv (or Netflix streaming, etc.) while editing Wikipedia (or knitting socks, in my case). We may even be drinking at the same time (if you get beer on the knitting, it washes out, unlike beer on the laptop).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us are watching tv (or Netflix streaming, etc.) while editing Wikipedia (or knitting socks, in my case). We may even be drinking at the same time (if you get beer on the knitting, it washes out, unlike beer on the laptop).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carmody</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12101</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha -- as it happens, I&#039;ve got a post in draft right now that begins &quot;I casually talked about people giving up TV, but that isn&#039;t really true.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha — as it happens, I’ve got a post in draft right now that begins “I casually talked about people giving up TV, but that isn’t really true.”</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Are people giving up TV in great numbers?  When I&#039;m out walking around the neighborhood with my kids at night all I see is flickering TVs in people&#039;s houses.  (Granted, this is pretty anecdotal.)  I love everything Shirky says in that article you linked to, but I think he and I (and you?) are in the minority there.

2. The first quote reminded me of a book I read last winter called &quot;Simplicity Parenting&quot; -- the most profound sentence in that whole book was the one where the author called boredom one of the greatest gifts we can give our children.  Because for kids, being forced to create something to entertain themselves with is not only more fulfilling, it&#039;s better for their brains than one-way entertainment such as TV.

I dunno.  &#039;nother good post I&#039;ll be thinking about all day.  Thanks Tim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Are people giving up TV in great numbers?  When I’m out walking around the neighborhood with my kids at night all I see is flickering TVs in people’s houses.  (Granted, this is pretty anecdotal.)  I love everything Shirky says in that article you linked to, but I think he and I (and you?) are in the minority there.</p>
<p>2. The first quote reminded me of a book I read last winter called “Simplicity Parenting” — the most profound sentence in that whole book was the one where the author called boredom one of the greatest gifts we can give our children.  Because for kids, being forced to create something to entertain themselves with is not only more fulfilling, it’s better for their brains than one-way entertainment such as TV.</p>
<p>I dunno.  ‘nother good post I’ll be thinking about all day.  Thanks Tim.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Kessinger</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12096</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Kessinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 06:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is this one rea son why we’re giv ing up on TV as our pri mary mode of con­sum ing cog ni tive sur plus? &quot; 

I think, yes. 

I am sure you have read Shirkey, and I think people choose action over non-action in a heart beat when they can understand the rules.

One thing I would like to add is that seeing all this talk about sharing, and creating, and how we are leaving the inactive TV land to the active internet. People might be asking is it really easy to walk away from TV en masse. When I think about that I am reminded on my first concert going experience, when I was probably 14, or 15. I came upon a mosh pit, literally kids banging up against one another. I thought to my self, why the hell not, and joined in. At some point I fell. I had never met anyone in this pile, but 4 people reached to pick me up, and a couple others communicated to watch out. Quickly, I was set right, and joined the mosh. 

What I have always found remarkable, was how quickly a community coalesced around an organizing principal.  There was no rule book, but the rules were clearly being virally communicated. 

In this manner, maybe that is why it&#039;s easy to leave the TV. The rules of using our cognitive surplus aren&#039;t explicit, but implicit, and easy to understand, and spreading virally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Is this one rea son why we’re giv ing up on TV as our pri mary mode of con­sum ing cog ni tive sur plus? ” </p>
<p>I think, yes. </p>
<p>I am sure you have read Shirkey, and I think people choose action over non-action in a heart beat when they can understand the rules.</p>
<p>One thing I would like to add is that seeing all this talk about sharing, and creating, and how we are leaving the inactive TV land to the active internet. People might be asking is it really easy to walk away from TV en masse. When I think about that I am reminded on my first concert going experience, when I was probably 14, or 15. I came upon a mosh pit, literally kids banging up against one another. I thought to my self, why the hell not, and joined in. At some point I fell. I had never met anyone in this pile, but 4 people reached to pick me up, and a couple others communicated to watch out. Quickly, I was set right, and joined the mosh. </p>
<p>What I have always found remarkable, was how quickly a community coalesced around an organizing principal.  There was no rule book, but the rules were clearly being virally communicated. </p>
<p>In this manner, maybe that is why it’s easy to leave the TV. The rules of using our cognitive surplus aren’t explicit, but implicit, and easy to understand, and spreading virally.</p>
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		<title>By: Saheli</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5832/comment-page-1#comment-12095</link>
		<dc:creator>Saheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 06:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of my favorite Baudelaire poem, &lt;a href=&quot;http://poetry.eserver.org/enivrez-vous.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;Enivrez-vous&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;i&gt;
Il faut être toujours ivre.
Tout est là:
c&#039;est l&#039;unique question.
Pour ne pas sentir
l&#039;horrible fardeau du Temps
qui brise vos épaules
et vous penche vers la terre,
il faut vous enivrer sans trêve
Mais de quoi?
De vin, de poésie, ou de vertu, à votre guise.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of my favorite Baudelaire poem, <a href="http://poetry.eserver.org/enivrez-vous.html" rel="nofollow"><i>&lt;Enivrez-vous</i></a>. </p>
<p><i><br />
Il faut être toujours ivre.<br />
Tout est là:<br />
c’est l’unique question.<br />
Pour ne pas sentir<br />
l’horrible fardeau du Temps<br />
qui brise vos épaules<br />
et vous penche vers la terre,<br />
il faut vous enivrer sans trêve<br />
Mais de quoi?<br />
De vin, de poésie, ou de vertu, à votre guise.</i></p>
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