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	<title>Comments on: Good-bye to all that</title>
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		<title>By: Saheli</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5330/comment-page-1#comment-9240</link>
		<dc:creator>Saheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But there is nowhere any­thing but sand… &lt;/i&gt;

That is the sound of a hammer hitting square on the nail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But there is nowhere any­thing but sand… </i></p>
<p>That is the sound of a hammer hitting square on the nail.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Katz</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5330/comment-page-1#comment-9233</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah for fuck&#039;s sake.  

 s/publishing house/publishing houses/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah for fuck’s sake.  </p>
<p> s/publishing house/publishing houses/</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The walls of publishing house are crumbling.
Now we can all be authors and publishers but we cannot rely on it being scarce to be an author or publisher.

The foundations of the university are crumbling.
Now we can all get more information and learning than ever before, but we cannot rely on the scarcity of that knowledge and their is a surfeit of well-educated people.

All is in upheaval, and those who recognize that will not build their houses on sand.  But there is nowhere anything but sand... 

Sometimes it is nice, because we are sleeping outside in the summer and seeing the stars.  But winter is cold, and we have no walls, no roof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The walls of publishing house are crumbling.<br />
Now we can all be authors and publishers but we cannot rely on it being scarce to be an author or publisher.</p>
<p>The foundations of the university are crumbling.<br />
Now we can all get more information and learning than ever before, but we cannot rely on the scarcity of that knowledge and their is a surfeit of well-educated people.</p>
<p>All is in upheaval, and those who recognize that will not build their houses on sand.  But there is nowhere anything but sand… </p>
<p>Sometimes it is nice, because we are sleeping outside in the summer and seeing the stars.  But winter is cold, and we have no walls, no roof.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5330/comment-page-1#comment-9175</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought: Drout is probably right that all the options are bad, but some are less bad than others. When I applied to grad school, many years ago, it was common for the elite departments to admit new college grads directly into a PhD program, with something close to a promise of full funding all the way through. Because of a slightly shaky academic record at a mediocre university, I had no chance to get into those programs. But one elite English program, Virginia, did things differently: they didn&#039;t allow anyone directly in to the PhD program, but rather made everyone apply, usually after three semesters, for &quot;permission to proceed&quot; to the PhD. I believe they have since abandoned that model, for a variety of reasons, among them the anxiety and atmosphere of cutthroat competition the model generated among students. And those were real problems. On the other hand, I&#039;m not complaining because that model allowed the department to discover that I was a good candidate for doctoral study, while others who had more impressive undergrad records weren&#039;t, after all, so well suited for the work. 

Maybe a model similar to this would allow grad programs to give chances to people from non-elite backgrounds, but also to cut back on the number of people allowed to pursue doctoral degrees. Not exactly the best of both worlds, but maybe a less-bad world than the one we now have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought: Drout is probably right that all the options are bad, but some are less bad than others. When I applied to grad school, many years ago, it was common for the elite departments to admit new college grads directly into a PhD program, with something close to a promise of full funding all the way through. Because of a slightly shaky academic record at a mediocre university, I had no chance to get into those programs. But one elite English program, Virginia, did things differently: they didn’t allow anyone directly in to the PhD program, but rather made everyone apply, usually after three semesters, for “permission to proceed” to the PhD. I believe they have since abandoned that model, for a variety of reasons, among them the anxiety and atmosphere of cutthroat competition the model generated among students. And those were real problems. On the other hand, I’m not complaining because that model allowed the department to discover that I was a good candidate for doctoral study, while others who had more impressive undergrad records weren’t, after all, so well suited for the work. </p>
<p>Maybe a model similar to this would allow grad programs to give chances to people from non-elite backgrounds, but also to cut back on the number of people allowed to pursue doctoral degrees. Not exactly the best of both worlds, but maybe a less-bad world than the one we now have?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5330/comment-page-1#comment-9154</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience is that when smart imaginative people can&#039;t find a place in one discipline, that the discipline that they move in to tends to benefit a great deal.

Silverliningly,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that when smart imaginative people can’t find a place in one discipline, that the discipline that they move in to tends to benefit a great deal.</p>
<p>Silverliningly,</p>
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		<title>By: Saheli</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5330/comment-page-1#comment-9152</link>
		<dc:creator>Saheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried to comment on this post about 5 times since you put it up, and each time I&#039;ve failed b/c of the chaos that is my own strange current experiment with academia. Maybe that is comment enough.

First of all, I think you are also walking towards something that is just less self-involved, not omphaloskeptic enough to have named itself yet. 

Secondly, I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; sorry to hear this, because that means it&#039;s not going well for you, and transitions are hard and frightening and draining (I can say that, since I&#039;ve been in one or another my entire adult life) and break-ups always hurt. Academia seems a little more vivacious with Tim Carmody in it, and I liked the idea of sending students on to you.

Regarding the topic of the posts: I think Drout has a point with his analysis of the economic dynamics of the system--pinching the pipeline at a different point will only have other, equally bad consequences for the business of creating and disseminating knowledge--but that his conclusion (essentially tarring all would-be reformers as self-involved whiners) misses a key point. I can&#039;t make that point for other fields, but I can make it for the one I am best acquainted with, which is laboratory science: unlike entertainment, sports, &amp; business, laboratory science (and academic knowledge in general) is fundamentally a public good, and one which the public often desperately requires. At some level,   if the &quot;gene pool&quot; of people producing new rock styles or better batting averages is thinned out, it&#039;s not a big problem and I don&#039;t actually care; if a narrow &quot;gene pool&quot; of innovators in antiobiotic-resistance research is slowing down research, it&#039;s a big fucking problem for all of us. The public (often directly) pays for the training of these Ph.Ds and if that investment is being wasted, it&#039;s the public&#039;s duty to figure out how and why. 

I think his dismissal of dutifulness and the resulting bitterness in this context is equally brusque. Ph.D. students are often exactly those people who could make a lot of money doing something else, but their sense of duty impelled them to try and do something for society. This can be significantly different then the motivations of those pursuing the risks of entertainment &amp; sports. Essentially, they bet on helping society and society gave them the figure. That may be foolish on their part, but merely dismissing them as whiners makes me wonder what&#039;s the point of paying &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt; to be a &lt;b&gt;cultural&lt;/b&gt; critic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve tried to comment on this post about 5 times since you put it up, and each time I’ve failed b/c of the chaos that is my own strange current experiment with academia. Maybe that is comment enough.</p>
<p>First of all, I think you are also walking towards something that is just less self-involved, not omphaloskeptic enough to have named itself yet. </p>
<p>Secondly, I <i>am</i> sorry to hear this, because that means it’s not going well for you, and transitions are hard and frightening and draining (I can say that, since I’ve been in one or another my entire adult life) and break-ups always hurt. Academia seems a little more vivacious with Tim Carmody in it, and I liked the idea of sending students on to you.</p>
<p>Regarding the topic of the posts: I think Drout has a point with his analysis of the economic dynamics of the system–pinching the pipeline at a different point will only have other, equally bad consequences for the business of creating and disseminating knowledge–but that his conclusion (essentially tarring all would-be reformers as self-involved whiners) misses a key point. I can’t make that point for other fields, but I can make it for the one I am best acquainted with, which is laboratory science: unlike entertainment, sports, &amp; business, laboratory science (and academic knowledge in general) is fundamentally a public good, and one which the public often desperately requires. At some level,   if the “gene pool” of people producing new rock styles or better batting averages is thinned out, it’s not a big problem and I don’t actually care; if a narrow “gene pool” of innovators in antiobiotic-resistance research is slowing down research, it’s a big fucking problem for all of us. The public (often directly) pays for the training of these Ph.Ds and if that investment is being wasted, it’s the public’s duty to figure out how and why. </p>
<p>I think his dismissal of dutifulness and the resulting bitterness in this context is equally brusque. Ph.D. students are often exactly those people who could make a lot of money doing something else, but their sense of duty impelled them to try and do something for society. This can be significantly different then the motivations of those pursuing the risks of entertainment &amp; sports. Essentially, they bet on helping society and society gave them the figure. That may be foolish on their part, but merely dismissing them as whiners makes me wonder what’s the point of paying <i>him</i> to be a <b>cultural</b> critic?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2010/5330/comment-page-1#comment-9144</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it when smart, imaginative people can&#039;t find a place in my discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it when smart, imaginative people can’t find a place in my discipline.</p>
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