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	<title>Comments on: The third vision</title>
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		<title>By: Ana Marie Cox on Emily Gould (and me on the future of writing?) &#171; Scrawled in Wax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana Marie Cox on Emily Gould (and me on the future of writing?) &#171; Scrawled in Wax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] since Matthew Battles left this comment &#8211; in which he suggests (beautifully) that magazine writing often displays &quot;a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Annie Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea, and I think the design/formatting is wonderful; my only complaint is that people want everything all in one place--I think if they could integrate this magazine e-reader into something like the Microsoft Courrier or the Apple tablet (when they actually work right), you&#039;d have a stellar combination that would be more useful and convenient. I don&#039;t want to carry around this e-reader AND my future touchscreen computer tablet. 

As for the writing, totally agree. Non-fiction writers need to adapt to their reader base, and readers these days respond better to things (and writing) that are more interactive (if that makes sense?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea, and I think the design/formatting is wonderful; my only complaint is that people want everything all in one place–I think if they could integrate this magazine e-reader into something like the Microsoft Courrier or the Apple tablet (when they actually work right), you’d have a stellar combination that would be more useful and convenient. I don’t want to carry around this e-reader AND my future touchscreen computer tablet. </p>
<p>As for the writing, totally agree. Non-fiction writers need to adapt to their reader base, and readers these days respond better to things (and writing) that are more interactive (if that makes sense?).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carmody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it works if you can do a continuous scroll -- i.e. you scroll down to navigate through a page, and if you keep scrolling, you scroll to the next page. Like a PDF in Preview or Acrobat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it works if you can do a continuous scroll — i.e. you scroll down to navigate through a page, and if you keep scrolling, you scroll to the next page. Like a PDF in Preview or Acrobat.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though, I think that scrolling AND page turning gives you the worst of both worlds, like the many, many terrible designs of magazin websites with their scroll, hit a link, scroll.

On pagination, Amazon chose an unbelievably stupid system of having this new content pagination system that does not include a translation to other pages. Number are numbers, there should have been no problem getting a translation matrix for each book (content area 120-155 = page 6 of book).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though, I think that scrolling AND page turning gives you the worst of both worlds, like the many, many terrible designs of magazin websites with their scroll, hit a link, scroll.</p>
<p>On pagination, Amazon chose an unbelievably stupid system of having this new content pagination system that does not include a translation to other pages. Number are numbers, there should have been no problem getting a translation matrix for each book (content area 120–155 = page 6 of book).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4535/comment-page-1#comment-7763</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a largely unnoticed paradox: reading machines insist equally upon replicating the interface of the pageturn and violating the design integrity of the individual page, by making its content vary according to the font size and style.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for crystalizing an idea that I&#039;ve been trying to get at obliquely in a number of contexts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is a largely unnoticed paradox: reading machines insist equally upon replicating the interface of the pageturn and violating the design integrity of the individual page, by making its content vary according to the font size and style.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you for crystalizing an idea that I’ve been trying to get at obliquely in a number of contexts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carmody</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4535/comment-page-1#comment-7762</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a key insight expressed in the video:

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Attempts to replicate &quot;page turns&quot; in digital contexts don&#039;t work very well, and aren&#039;t authentic to the experience of the screen;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Scrolling is equally intuitive, already well established with web pages, instapaper, iPhone applications, etc., and IS authentic to the possibilities and actualities of screen reading.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

This speaks directly to some of the choices/compromises of reading machines like the Kindle/Nook. This is a largely unnoticed paradox: reading machines insist equally upon replicating the interface of the page turn and violating the design integrity of the individual page, by making its content vary according to the font size and style.

Wouldn&#039;t it be much more elegant to maintain the same pagination from the print to the electronic edition -- so that we have, once again, a book that&#039;s stable across platforms -- AND maintain whenever possible the same design of individual pages; but still allow the reader to adjust the font size to his/her needs and preferences, by letting them scroll from one page to the next? 

I don&#039;t know, maybe that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a key insight expressed in the video:</p>
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<li>Attempts to replicate “page turns” in digital contexts don’t work very well, and aren’t authentic to the experience of the screen;</li>
<li>Scrolling is equally intuitive, already well established with web pages, instapaper, iPhone applications, etc., and IS authentic to the possibilities and actualities of screen reading.</li>
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<p>This speaks directly to some of the choices/compromises of reading machines like the Kindle/Nook. This is a largely unnoticed paradox: reading machines insist equally upon replicating the interface of the page turn and violating the design integrity of the individual page, by making its content vary according to the font size and style.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t it be much more elegant to maintain the same pagination from the print to the electronic edition — so that we have, once again, a book that’s stable across platforms — AND maintain whenever possible the same design of individual pages; but still allow the reader to adjust the font size to his/her needs and preferences, by letting them scroll from one page to the next? </p>
<p>I don’t know, maybe that’s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4535/comment-page-1#comment-7760</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be into breaking open the black box of magazine writing too.

It&#039;s one of the frustrating things about being a writer who primarily works alone - no editorial oversight. Sure, I get praise and approving links, or flames. But even that is mostly about the ideas at hand, rather than the quality of the writing itself.

So instead one pokes around and reads Jakob Nielsen and however many Pro Blogger sites in an effort to learn something. Plus the standbys like The Elements of Style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d be into breaking open the black box of magazine writing too.</p>
<p>It’s one of the frustrating things about being a writer who primarily works alone — no editorial oversight. Sure, I get praise and approving links, or flames. But even that is mostly about the ideas at hand, rather than the quality of the writing itself.</p>
<p>So instead one pokes around and reads Jakob Nielsen and however many Pro Blogger sites in an effort to learn something. Plus the standbys like The Elements of Style.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Battles</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4535/comment-page-1#comment-7756</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Battles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That table is the thing. If it exists we almost don&#039;t need readers—our subscriptions follow us from place to place, landing on the magic tables wherever we light.

I want to break open the black box of magazine writing, too. The magazines I have long admired too often adopt a kind of &quot;angel of history&quot; voice, beweeping our outcast state—a transcendental melancholy that feels not so much inappropriate as unearned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That table is the thing. If it exists we almost don’t need readers—our subscriptions follow us from place to place, landing on the magic tables wherever we light.</p>
<p>I want to break open the black box of magazine writing, too. The magazines I have long admired too often adopt a kind of “angel of history” voice, beweeping our outcast state—a transcendental melancholy that feels not so much inappropriate as unearned.</p>
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