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	<title>Comments on: The future of media? Bet on events</title>
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	<description>The stomping grounds of Tim Carmody, Robin Sloan and Matt Thompson. It&#039;s a long-running conversation about media, journalism, technology, cities, culture, design, books, music, movies, the future and the past.</description>
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		<title>By: Workshop: Advanced WordPress with NYU&#8217;s Studio20, 5/8/11 &#124; Daniel Bachhuber&#039;s weblog</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-28177</link>
		<dc:creator>Workshop: Advanced WordPress with NYU&#8217;s Studio20, 5/8/11 &#124; Daniel Bachhuber&#039;s weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 15:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] plugins do and why. Missed this entirely.Continue thinking about how note taking can be more of a generative exercise. They added notes, but mostly at the bottom out of context and they weren&#8217;t that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] plugins do and why. Missed this entirely.Continue thinking about how note taking can be more of a generative exercise. They added notes, but mostly at the bottom out of context and they weren’t that […]</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory E. Turner</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-27824</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory E. Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Music creation/composition as event. I&#039;ll see what I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music creation/composition as event. I’ll see what I can do.</p>
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		<title>By: What Will Be the New New Media? &#171; Join the Conversation</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-12743</link>
		<dc:creator>What Will Be the New New Media? &#171; Join the Conversation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tim Carmody&#8217;s calculations, it really started here with a post by Robin Sloan.  But Tim updates and extends it with links to another SM post he did [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Tim Carmody’s calculations, it really started here with a post by Robin Sloan.  But Tim updates and extends it with links to another SM post he did […]</p>
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		<title>By: The generative web event &#171; Snarkmarket</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-12694</link>
		<dc:creator>The generative web event &#171; Snarkmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are some high­lights from Robin’s still-uber-potent “The future of media? Bet on events”: So far we’ve got this TED/Phoot Camp media-making work­shop spear-gun. Now, bolt on deadly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] are some high­lights from Robin’s still-uber-potent “The future of media? Bet on events”: So far we’ve got this TED/Phoot Camp media-making work­shop spear-gun. Now, bolt on deadly […]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Margolis</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-12201</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Margolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your post. As I like to say, you have to create &quot;happenings&quot; to show people its happening. Especially if you are in the business of selling ideas and want to create a story meme that can travel. 

You&#039;ve just given me a week&#039;s worth of nutrition to digest. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your post. As I like to say, you have to create “happenings” to show people its happening. Especially if you are in the business of selling ideas and want to create a story meme that can travel. </p>
<p>You’ve just given me a week’s worth of nutrition to digest. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-7983</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone is falling over themselves talking about how well Robin farts in the wind. I mean, as long as you&#039;re farting wouldn&#039;t you WANT to fart in the wind? Isn&#039;t that kind of sheer range what makes a solid fart legendary? I mean, look at this fart, I mean, post; over a month old, and still raising a stink. 

It&#039;s farts on windless days, in windowless rooms, that you need to worry about. Could a strong gust of wind blow a fart back in your face? Is that the concern? I don&#039;t think it could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone is falling over themselves talking about how well Robin farts in the wind. I mean, as long as you’re farting wouldn’t you WANT to fart in the wind? Isn’t that kind of sheer range what makes a solid fart legendary? I mean, look at this fart, I mean, post; over a month old, and still raising a stink. </p>
<p>It’s farts on windless days, in windowless rooms, that you need to worry about. Could a strong gust of wind blow a fart back in your face? Is that the concern? I don’t think it could.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Sloan</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-7981</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fair point, and I appreciate your perspective as someone who actually DOES this—who actually organizes events.

There are plenty of events here in SF too, of course—but not the kind I&#039;m talking about. Either they&#039;re entirely social, or they hew too much to the &quot;heyyy let&#039;s set some guys up with a projector and hear about their product&quot; format.

So yes, producing something like this is a lot of work—and the format I&#039;m proposing is even MORE work than usual. Because I&#039;m talking about real production values, and about a work-flow that doesn&#039;t end when the last attendee has wandered out the door.

But I&#039;ve got to wonder—is it really THAT much more work than, say, conceiving, commissioning &amp; designing a monthly magazine? Or running a high-volume blog day-to-day?

The answer might be &quot;yes,&quot; simply because working in the physical world involves a specific kind of friction. Things must be gotten to places; plane tickets must be purchased; cats must be herded. But I&#039;m not sure.

But here&#039;s another angle that I think is really, REALLY important: I think it&#039;s a shame that all this work goes into these events that sort of live and die in this tiny little time-frame. You&#039;re exactly right: tens to hundreds of hours of prep work for a day or two of live content. So I think it&#039;s inexcusable not to design that content such that it can be captured and shared online and actually find an audience. So this disqualifies perfunctory recordings of panels; it probably disqualifies panels altogether! But precisely BECAUSE it&#039;s so much work, I think it&#039;s important to find ways to extend an event&#039;s life, to draw it out, give it a bigger footprint in time &amp; space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fair point, and I appreciate your perspective as someone who actually DOES this—who actually organizes events.</p>
<p>There are plenty of events here in SF too, of course—but not the kind I’m talking about. Either they’re entirely social, or they hew too much to the “heyyy let’s set some guys up with a projector and hear about their product” format.</p>
<p>So yes, producing something like this is a lot of work—and the format I’m proposing is even MORE work than usual. Because I’m talking about real production values, and about a work-flow that doesn’t end when the last attendee has wandered out the door.</p>
<p>But I’ve got to wonder—is it really THAT much more work than, say, conceiving, commissioning &amp; designing a monthly magazine? Or running a high-volume blog day-to-day?</p>
<p>The answer might be “yes,” simply because working in the physical world involves a specific kind of friction. Things must be gotten to places; plane tickets must be purchased; cats must be herded. But I’m not sure.</p>
<p>But here’s another angle that I think is really, REALLY important: I think it’s a shame that all this work goes into these events that sort of live and die in this tiny little time-frame. You’re exactly right: tens to hundreds of hours of prep work for a day or two of live content. So I think it’s inexcusable not to design that content such that it can be captured and shared online and actually find an audience. So this disqualifies perfunctory recordings of panels; it probably disqualifies panels altogether! But precisely BECAUSE it’s so much work, I think it’s important to find ways to extend an event’s life, to draw it out, give it a bigger footprint in time &amp; space.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Forde</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-7976</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Forde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this essay several times over a few days before responding, because I wanted to get it right. Everyone is falling over themselves talking about how poignant this is, but I don&#039;t feel like Robin is actually proposing something. He sums his perspective up best in the last line: he wants to go to it and watch it online.

I&#039;m a serial event organizer, and I&#039;ve got news for you... it takes tens  to hundreds of hours and a lot of money to produce a day or two of high quality &quot;content&quot;. It&#039;s easy to show up to something interesting, but to actually program and manage the logistics for these things is a full time job. Burn out, creative differences, and over-saturation are very real issues that you&#039;re simply not addressing.

I live in Toronto, Canada — a city spoiled by the sheer number of events that cater to the tech, business and social marketing community. I would not be exaggerating to say that there are multiple events every night of the week. There aren&#039;t just BarCamps... that was so 2005! We&#039;ve got ScotchCamp and SproutUp and Rails Pub Nite and Founders &amp; Funders and oh my god just make it fucking stop already.

Even a large and vibrant community would find this supposed participatory media Eden completely and utterly exhausting to attend, much less put together on a consistent schedule.

Please, prove me wrong but I think you&#039;re farting in the wind until you organize one major event for every three you attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this essay several times over a few days before responding, because I wanted to get it right. Everyone is falling over themselves talking about how poignant this is, but I don’t feel like Robin is actually proposing something. He sums his perspective up best in the last line: he wants to go to it and watch it online.</p>
<p>I’m a serial event organizer, and I’ve got news for you… it takes tens  to hundreds of hours and a lot of money to produce a day or two of high quality “content”. It’s easy to show up to something interesting, but to actually program and manage the logistics for these things is a full time job. Burn out, creative differences, and over-saturation are very real issues that you’re simply not addressing.</p>
<p>I live in Toronto, Canada — a city spoiled by the sheer number of events that cater to the tech, business and social marketing community. I would not be exaggerating to say that there are multiple events every night of the week. There aren’t just BarCamps… that was so 2005! We’ve got ScotchCamp and SproutUp and Rails Pub Nite and Founders &amp; Funders and oh my god just make it fucking stop already.</p>
<p>Even a large and vibrant community would find this supposed participatory media Eden completely and utterly exhausting to attend, much less put together on a consistent schedule.</p>
<p>Please, prove me wrong but I think you’re farting in the wind until you organize one major event for every three you attend.</p>
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		<title>By: LIVE@LEEDS</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-7974</link>
		<dc:creator>LIVE@LEEDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] principle of recorded music is now in the hands of musicians, not technologists, not record labels. Consider this or perhaps release your music like [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Galpert</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/4056/comment-page-1#comment-7968</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Galpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is what the setup will probably look like
http://bit.ly/7GpwML</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is what the setup will probably look like<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/7GpwML" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7GpwML</a></p>
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