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	<description>The stomping grounds of Tim Carmody, Robin Sloan and Matt Thompson. It&#039;s a long-running conversation about media, journalism, technology, cities, culture, design, books, music, movies, the future and the past.</description>
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		<title>By: The New Dead Media Expert at Wired &#171; Snarkmarket</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-13078</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Dead Media Expert at Wired &#171; Snarkmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so hard to become an expert on dead media, like the book and the news­pa­per and cin­ema and poetry, that writ­ing about some­thing liv­ing, even using some­thing liv­ing, always felt like the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] so hard to become an expert on dead media, like the book and the news­pa­per and cin­ema and poetry, that writ­ing about some­thing liv­ing, even using some­thing liv­ing, always felt like the […]</p>
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		<title>By: We need a treatment for an Ezra Pound biopic &#171; Snarkmarket</title>
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		<dc:creator>We need a treatment for an Ezra Pound biopic &#171; Snarkmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I’m par­tial. But Pound’s life, writ­ings, and char­ac­ter were so out­sized, so dra­matic, it’s amaz­ing we haven’t seen a movie ver­sion of his life [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] I’m par­tial. But Pound’s life, writ­ings, and char­ac­ter were so out­sized, so dra­matic, it’s amaz­ing we haven’t seen a movie ver­sion of his life […]</p>
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		<title>By: The Hypertext Chapbook (iv) &#124; Ulysses "Seen"</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-7226</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hypertext Chapbook (iv) &#124; Ulysses "Seen"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of you might have missed Ezra Pound&#8217;s Birthday last month – you could have at least sent a card (well, not in the UK obviously), but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] of you might have missed Ezra Pound’s Birthday last month – you could have at least sent a card (well, not in the UK obviously), but […]</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-6885</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this eloquent and passionate summary. Glad to revisit especially Pound&#039;s translation of the Divus translation of Homer. That bit of singing always moved me deeply when I&#039;d open my now-long-lost New Directions paperback edition of Pound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this eloquent and passionate summary. Glad to revisit especially Pound’s translation of the Divus translation of Homer. That bit of singing always moved me deeply when I’d open my now-long-lost New Directions paperback edition of Pound.</p>
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		<title>By: grover</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-6855</link>
		<dc:creator>grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just caught this after the weekend, and the first thing that popped into my head was &quot;WOW, Tim!&quot;  Absolutely fantastic article here. Many thanks. 

And I have little more to add than that, so... pop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just caught this after the weekend, and the first thing that popped into my head was “WOW, Tim!”  Absolutely fantastic article here. Many thanks. </p>
<p>And I have little more to add than that, so… pop!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carmody</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-6834</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really hard to make out, but you can listen to Pound read Canto XLVI on Italian radio &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1942/Pound-Ezra_Canto-XLVI_Italy_2-12-42.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (courtesy of PennSound). 

In fact, I take it for granted, since it&#039;s been built while I&#039;ve been here, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Pound.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PennSound&#039;s archive of Pound recordings&lt;/a&gt; is incredibly rich. Here, for instance, is &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1939/Pound-Ezra_04_EP-Ode-Pour-LElection-de-Son-Sepulchre_Harvard_1939.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a 1939 recording of &quot;Ode Pour L&#039;election De Son Sepulchre,&quot;&lt;/a&gt; where you can hear his faux-Yeatsing to better advantage. Or later, &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1958/Pound-Ezra_07_Canto-I_DC_1958.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a 1958 recording of Canto I&lt;/a&gt; that must have been made as soon as he was released from St. Elizabeth&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really hard to make out, but you can listen to Pound read Canto XLVI on Italian radio <a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1942/Pound-Ezra_Canto-XLVI_Italy_2-12-42.mp3" rel="nofollow">here</a> (courtesy of PennSound). </p>
<p>In fact, I take it for granted, since it’s been built while I’ve been here, but <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Pound.html" rel="nofollow">PennSound’s archive of Pound recordings</a> is incredibly rich. Here, for instance, is <a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1939/Pound-Ezra_04_EP-Ode-Pour-LElection-de-Son-Sepulchre_Harvard_1939.mp3" rel="nofollow">a 1939 recording of “Ode Pour L’election De Son Sepulchre,”</a> where you can hear his faux-Yeatsing to better advantage. Or later, <a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1958/Pound-Ezra_07_Canto-I_DC_1958.mp3" rel="nofollow">a 1958 recording of Canto I</a> that must have been made as soon as he was released from St. Elizabeth’s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carmody</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-6833</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding from bottom to top, so first Matthew:

1) My OT&#039;s progressed to the point where I can type with both hands again, which pleases me to no end. My felicity is pretty good, speed is, well, getting there. I get tired, though, so I posted this in batches after reading your post this morning. And I&#039;m bad at spotting typos.

2) I love Lewis Hyde&#039;s book; it introduced me to The Cantos, and I used it extensively in a dissertation chapter on &lt;em&gt;Citizen Kane&lt;/em&gt; (a movie all about variations on the gift economy, including collection and trash). But if you want Pound the poet AND Pound the person, Kenner&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Pound Era&lt;/em&gt; can&#039;t be beat. It&#039;s a lot like McLuhan&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Gutenberg Galaxy&lt;/em&gt;, except instead of the printing press, Kenner has Ezra Pound. 

Speaking of which, for book/tech folks like us, Kenner&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Mechanical Muse&lt;/em&gt; is also a marvel, as is Lawrence Rainey&#039;s book about the Malatesta Cantos, &lt;em&gt;Ezra Pound and the Monument of Culture&lt;/em&gt;. I think EP is essential to any media-driven reading of the early twentieth century, because he already did so much of the heavy lifting himself. &lt;em&gt;ABC of Reading&lt;/em&gt; is a great entry point for this, and to Pound in general.

Robin:

1) Pound was notorious, but of course he never sold terribly well. TS Eliot and later Robert Frost certainly did better, as did almost any well-known fiction writer. (Then as now, poetry does not sell.) Pound (like Gertrude Stein) was always a convenient target to lampoon whenever anyone wanted to deplore the excesses of the &quot;new writing.&quot; So he was much better known than read. And he was extremely well-known among people who read poetry or poetry journals, because he wrote so much. Some analogues in our own time might be filmmakers like Spike Lee or Lars von Trier; they&#039;ve both had some successes, which is why they get to keep making movies, and their films always get written about, but they&#039;re not shown in a ton of theaters. If you asked a random person in the 20s who EP was, they might say, &quot;oh, that guy who writes those poems that don&#039;t mean anything.,&quot; or something similar.

If I can find Rainey&#039;s book, I can dig up some real numbers for you. Likewise, there are recordings somewhere of Ezra&#039;s radio broadcasts...

I would love for a good movie to be made about Pound. Or about Gertrude Stein. Those are the two writers from the first half of this century whose lives, personalities, and writings were so dramatic that people would be shocked at how well they translated to celluloid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding from bottom to top, so first Matthew:</p>
<p>1) My OT’s progressed to the point where I can type with both hands again, which pleases me to no end. My felicity is pretty good, speed is, well, getting there. I get tired, though, so I posted this in batches after reading your post this morning. And I’m bad at spotting typos.</p>
<p>2) I love Lewis Hyde’s book; it introduced me to The Cantos, and I used it extensively in a dissertation chapter on <em>Citizen Kane</em> (a movie all about variations on the gift economy, including collection and trash). But if you want Pound the poet AND Pound the person, Kenner’s <em>The Pound Era</em> can’t be beat. It’s a lot like McLuhan’s <em>Gutenberg Galaxy</em>, except instead of the printing press, Kenner has Ezra Pound. </p>
<p>Speaking of which, for book/tech folks like us, Kenner’s <em>The Mechanical Muse</em> is also a marvel, as is Lawrence Rainey’s book about the Malatesta Cantos, <em>Ezra Pound and the Monument of Culture</em>. I think EP is essential to any media-driven reading of the early twentieth century, because he already did so much of the heavy lifting himself. <em>ABC of Reading</em> is a great entry point for this, and to Pound in general.</p>
<p>Robin:</p>
<p>1) Pound was notorious, but of course he never sold terribly well. TS Eliot and later Robert Frost certainly did better, as did almost any well-known fiction writer. (Then as now, poetry does not sell.) Pound (like Gertrude Stein) was always a convenient target to lampoon whenever anyone wanted to deplore the excesses of the “new writing.” So he was much better known than read. And he was extremely well-known among people who read poetry or poetry journals, because he wrote so much. Some analogues in our own time might be filmmakers like Spike Lee or Lars von Trier; they’ve both had some successes, which is why they get to keep making movies, and their films always get written about, but they’re not shown in a ton of theaters. If you asked a random person in the 20s who EP was, they might say, “oh, that guy who writes those poems that don’t mean anything.,” or something similar.</p>
<p>If I can find Rainey’s book, I can dig up some real numbers for you. Likewise, there are recordings somewhere of Ezra’s radio broadcasts…</p>
<p>I would love for a good movie to be made about Pound. Or about Gertrude Stein. Those are the two writers from the first half of this century whose lives, personalities, and writings were so dramatic that people would be shocked at how well they translated to celluloid.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Battles</title>
		<link>http://snarkmarket.com/2009/3931/comment-page-1#comment-6831</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Battles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude. With one hand tied behind your back, as it were!

Our hilo heroes brief is 200 words; thanks be you&#039;re under no such restriction. Lewis Hyde gave me back Pound as a person—you&#039;ve restored him as a poet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude. With one hand tied behind your back, as it were!</p>
<p>Our hilo heroes brief is 200 words; thanks be you’re under no such restriction. Lewis Hyde gave me back Pound as a person—you’ve restored him as a poet.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://robinsloan.com/storage/robin-likes.png&quot; /&gt;

An observation and a question.

The observation. This...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Pound’s brain was always faster than his lin­guis­tic skills, and his Ital­ian would slip, jux­ta­posed with long pas­sages in Eng­lish where he would per­form in dif­fer­ent dialects, as dif­fer­ent char­ac­ters — as if he were Orson Welles doing voices for a radio show.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...cries out for dramatization. Or re-dramatization, I guess. Maybe dramatic interpretation. Sounds like the source material for an Oscar contender. Or perhaps some innovative RadioLab-ish audio project.

The question. You talk about Pound as anti-low, anti-high, anti-middlebrow, and mention that he &quot;cham­pi­oned both pop­u­lar cul­ture.&quot; How was Pound &lt;i&gt;consumed&lt;/i&gt; in his day? Who was reading him? Had a random American pulled off the street ever read Ezra Pound? Pulled off the street in San Francisco? In Cambridge, Mass.?</description>
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<p>An observation and a question.</p>
<p>The observation. This…</p>
<blockquote><p>“Pound’s brain was always faster than his lin­guis­tic skills, and his Ital­ian would slip, jux­ta­posed with long pas­sages in Eng­lish where he would per­form in dif­fer­ent dialects, as dif­fer­ent char­ac­ters — as if he were Orson Welles doing voices for a radio show.</p></blockquote>
<p>…cries out for dramatization. Or re-dramatization, I guess. Maybe dramatic interpretation. Sounds like the source material for an Oscar contender. Or perhaps some innovative RadioLab-ish audio project.</p>
<p>The question. You talk about Pound as anti-low, anti-high, anti-middlebrow, and mention that he “cham­pi­oned both pop­u­lar cul­ture.” How was Pound <i>consumed</i> in his day? Who was reading him? Had a random American pulled off the street ever read Ezra Pound? Pulled off the street in San Francisco? In Cambridge, Mass.?</p>
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