Expatriate Education

The NYT has a good arti­cle about US stu­dents get­ting their bac­calau­re­ates abroad (specif­i­cally in the UK and Ire­land). It prompted, in order, the fol­low­ing reactions:

  1. When I applied to col­lege, I found myself anx­ious about the prospect of leav­ing Michi­gan. How­ever, two years later, I would have trans­ferred to a Euro­pean uni­ver­sity in a heartbeat.
  2. I’m not sure how I feel about a more spe­cial­ized bac­calau­re­ate — I’ve pretty much resisted spe­cial­iza­tion through­out my aca­d­e­mic career — but gen­er­ally speak­ing, so much of the UK sys­tem, from col­lege entry to aca­d­e­mic hir­ing, feels emi­nently sane when com­pared with the US.
  3. My top schools where I want to apply to are Oxford and the Sor­bonne. My safety’s Harvard.”
  4. Pre­dic­tion: the schools listed will see their Amer­i­can apps triple next year, espe­cially when word gets out that it’s eas­ier for Amer­i­cans to get in than it is for native Brits. (Cheap­ness is another fac­tor, but in my expe­ri­ence work­ing with col­lege admis­sions, a sec­ondary one.)

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    Here’s a spe­cific expe­ri­ence that is doubt­less use­less when gen­er­al­ized: get­ting my MPhil degree at Cam­bridge was absurdly easy com­pared to what I know from friends about an MA or MS at nearly any decent US university.

    Point 2: As I recall, the BA degree at Cam­bridge was a three-year program.

    Point 3: And, most absurdly, the MA degree at Cam­bridge or Oxford is NOT an earned degree. You get it auto­mat­i­cally for liv­ing one year past your BA.

    David says:

    I effec­tively trans­ferred from a small New Eng­land liberal-arts col­lege to com­plete a three-year B.A. in Eng­lish at Oxford. Here are some things I learned:

    1) Depend­ing upon the exchange rate, it can be half as expen­sive as attend­ing an Ivy League.

    2) It sucks that peo­ple can “see through” the “M.A.” des­ig­na­tion at Oxbridge, because I can tell you — the amount of work required was equal to a BA+MA degree. I went from Oxford to an M.A. pro­gram at the Uni­ver­sity of Chicago and found that my read­ing list included books required in the first term of first year at Oxford.

    3) Spe­cial­iza­tion has a num­ber of advan­tages, and a num­ber of dis­ad­van­tages. Through my edu­ca­tion I excel at mak­ing con­nec­tions between ideas but don’t have a great under­stand­ing of the state-of-the-art of other fields.

    4) Oxbridge is way behind the U.S. at inte­grat­ing tech­nol­ogy into its edu­ca­tional process through­out all dis­ci­plines. This is a major failing.

    5) Oxbridge’s cur­ricu­lum changes very slowly. This has cer­tain advan­tages and dis­ad­van­tages as well — it is hes­i­tant to adopt trends, which means it avoids being swept up by flavor-of-the-month the­o­ries. It also means you end up being less marketable.

    6) Oxford’s under­grad aca­d­e­mic stan­dards are far higher and harder than the Ivy League. Amer­i­can stu­dents I knew, who had gone straight from Amer­i­can high-school edu­ca­tions (even top-tier pri­vate ones) found them­selves strug­gling aca­d­e­m­i­cally. I knew peo­ple from Sarah Lawrence doing a year abroad at Oxford. They were shocked: A-level work at SL would be B– at Oxford. A summa-cum-laude grad­u­ate of Yale read some of my under­grad­u­ate essays, and was astounded at the amount of research they entailed.

    7) Oxbridge’s career-counseling and alumni net­work is vir­tu­ally nonex­is­tent in the U.S. I do not have the advan­tage of the “old-school tie” in gain­ing employment.

    Tim says:

    This last point about the alumni net­work is really impor­tant; sure, lots of peo­ple get jobs and other oppor­tu­ni­ties because they got a degree at a top-rep uni­ver­sity, but a lot of the real value comes from the value of the very spe­cific con­tacts asso­ci­ated with a par­tic­u­lar school — class­mates, alumni, allied insti­tu­tions, busi­ness part­ner­ships, etc. A lot of that doesn’t trans­fer — and might even be more dif­fi­cult for non-native stu­dents to rec­og­nize and take advan­tage of in the first place.

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